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The Perfect Android
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Strawberry	Jul 11 2007, 11:21 AM Post #16
Chiaroscuro ♥ Posts: 17,000 Group: Rock Princess Member #1,750 Joined: September 24, 2006	^ Well, Android is the general term to refer to the "creatures" Dr. Gero and his computer have created. We all know that Androids 17 and 18 are cyborgs but the term Android here works for all of them together.
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* Daniel6	Jul 11 2007, 03:52 PM Post #17
Posts: 658 Group: Retired Staff Member #576 Joined: August 3, 2005 Gender Male Favourite Anime Naruto / DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome	Tyro Jul 11 2007, 02:39 AM Half the people mentioned here aren't androids. #13 - Android (Unless something was said in the Japanese version, which I haven't watched. Anyone care to check for me? ^^) #16 - Android #17 - Cyborg #18 - Cyborg Cell - Organic life form "Super 17" - Half cyborg, half machine mutant (right?) So really neither of the major contestants (Cell, Super 17) are androids at all. Cell only killed so many as the characters were alot weaker then. Super 17 is alot stronger than Cell and therefore making him perfect among the others who are called 'Andriods'



* Bex	Jul 13 2007, 06:36 AM Post #18
★ Bextreme Dream ★ Posts: 9,435 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,545 Joined: July 5, 2006 Gender Female Country United Kingdom What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Tyro May 5 2007, 10:13 PM Quote: Android 19 was almost twice as powerful as Android 20 (Gero). For what reason do you guys state that Android 17 is stronger than 18? They are equal in strength, speed, and power. The only reason 18 never contradicted 17 when he said he was the strongest, was because she was smart enough not to. Did 16 contradict 17? Of course not! He knew he was stronger than 17, but he didn't say anything (perhaps acting on 18's que of silence). How was Android #19 twice as strong as Cyborg #20? #20 indirectly states that he himself is stronger than #19. In the back of the manga there is a little chart stating info about all of the Androids and Cyborgs Dr. Gero has created. It states #18's power as "suppressed" when compared to #17. Gero (Android #20) was bluffing which is why he ran off straight after saying he was stronger. He also ran because he knew he was too weak to fight the rest of the Z Fighters and to get 17 and 18 up and running so they could help. But of course the mutinied him and activated 16 against Gero's will after disposing of Gero himself. #19 was more powerful because he, like 16, was purely mechanical. And besides... he beat down SSJ Goku and took his energy... he had to be pretty damn good back then to do that XD And Super 17, 17, 18, 20 and Cell are Androids in a sense. They were fitted wih explosives and mechanical devices to make them stronger than anyone else at that point. What i've heard from 17 and 18's history tells me that the two of them were just runaway kids at one point with no specificly high powerlevel, or else the Z Fighters would have picked them up before then.
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* -Zero-	Jul 13 2007, 04:25 PM Post #19
Black Knight Posts: 8,697 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,874 Joined: November 5, 2006 Favourite Anime Code Geass, Death Note, Dragonball/Z	Prince Vegeta Jul 13 2007, 01:36 AM Tyro May 5 2007, 10:13 PM Quote: Android 19 was almost twice as powerful as Android 20 (Gero). For what reason do you guys state that Android 17 is stronger than 18? They are equal in strength, speed, and power. The only reason 18 never contradicted 17 when he said he was the strongest, was because she was smart enough not to. Did 16 contradict 17? Of course not! He knew he was stronger than 17, but he didn't say anything (perhaps acting on 18's que of silence). How was Android #19 twice as strong as Cyborg #20? #20 indirectly states that he himself is stronger than #19. In the back of the manga there is a little chart stating info about all of the Androids and Cyborgs Dr. Gero has created. It states #18's power as "suppressed" when compared to #17. Gero (Android #20) was bluffing which is why he ran off straight after saying he was stronger. He also ran because he knew he was too weak to fight the rest of the Z Fighters and to get 17 and 18 up and running so they could help. But of course the mutinied him and activated 16 against Gero's will after disposing of Gero himself. #19 was more powerful because he, like 16, was purely mechanical. And besides... he beat down SSJ Goku and took his energy... he had to be pretty damn good back then to do that XD And Super 17, 17, 18, 20 and Cell are Androids in a sense. They were fitted wih explosives and mechanical devices to make them stronger than anyone else at that point. What i've heard from 17 and 18's history tells me that the two of them were just runaway kids at one point with no specificly high powerlevel, or else the Z Fighters would have picked them up before then. Gero was probably stronger than 19. I don't think he wanted the same mistake to happen which had happened with 17 and 18 before. And 19 only took down SS Goku easier than usual was because of the heart virus. Why did Gero run away? Because he knew he wasn't strong enough to face SS Vegeta, which took down 19 easily.
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Temphis	Jan 6 2009, 09:52 PM Post #20
Rampaging Explosion of Euphoric Glory! Posts: 1,223 Group: Member Member #3,903 Joined: January 6, 2009 Gender Male Favourite Anime Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C., Katananagari, Mushishi, Full Metal: Brotherhood, CowboyBeebop, Monster What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Gantz, Berserk, One Punch Man, Dragon Ball, One Piece, Attack on Titan, Re: Monster, (no more room)	I feel theres a simplified answer to all of this. it would seem somthing the writers did for effect, is they had the characters, usually villians, continually lie about what streangth they were, mostly to try and sound cool while maybe intimidating the enemy. for example, freeza saying he was at full power, but when things got serious, he announced he had an untaped level of power with the ridiculous title "100% complete full power" (LOL, so many synnonems). the androids where simply self proclaimed "strongest," like how freeza was self proclaimed strongest, disregarding his bro. coola. I also think it was poor planning on Akira's part, since he hadn't decided yet how powerfull all the androids would be and what not, until he actually was in the process of making the episode, so it seems in many cases. (cell getting his head blown off after stating he has piccolo's regeneration, which requires his head, and then regenerating anyway :P)



hidan fan	Mar 1 2009, 12:57 AM Post #21
Posts: 146 Group: Member Member #3,866 Joined: December 21, 2008 Favourite Anime dbz,naruto,yuyuhakusho,inuyasha,rurouni kenshin,bleach	I would have to say super 17.because of his ability to absorb attacks and he gave ssj4 goku a very hard time.then I would have to say super 13.because of how indestrutible he seemed until the end when he was taken out by a spirit bomb.



Emperor Cold	Mar 9 2009, 08:32 PM Post #22
Makaioshin Posts: 317 Group: Member Member #3,724 Joined: October 5, 2008 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/GT (yes I like GT...imagine that!) Detective Conan, FMA (original), Yu Yu Hakusho Favourite Manga Anything by Akira Toriyama	Prince Vegeta Jul 13 2007, 06:36 AM #19 was more powerful because he, like 16, was purely mechanical. #20 was also purely mechanical except for his brain. He was probably equal to #19, because they have very similar models. And the perfect android, in my opinion, was Android 16. Cell and #13 needed to absorb other androids to reach their full potential. But #16 was more powerful than Cell's or #13's base form. And Super 17 had that ridiculous weakness of being left wide open while absorbing energy. #16 had no weaknesses, unless you consider his peacefulness as a weakness. In short, #16 was the most inherently powerful android, and he was also the only one (besides #8) whose artificial intelligence formed a real personality, which is what I think makes him the most technologically impressive.



UltimateGohan	Mar 11 2009, 01:37 PM Post #23
Posts: 802 Group: Member Member #2,807 Joined: October 31, 2007	Dr. Gero is saying 17 is the best bcuz like said there is two 17's which make up super 17 which is the stronger android
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Fused	Mar 16 2009, 02:27 PM Post #24
Posts: 460 Group: Donator Member #4,028 Joined: March 14, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, forever and always. What Browser do you use? Chrome	Android 8 because he's nice



* Psyam	Mar 16 2009, 05:35 PM Post #25
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	In potential to get stronger, Cell is the greatest thanks to his combination of regeneration and Saiyan ability to get stronger after brutal injury's. Cell aside, however, I think #16 had the perfect model. Next to no weaknesses, infinite energy, etc.. He seemed to be an improved version of #17 and #18, and yet he was only 25% complete!



MissSunday1975	Mar 18 2009, 10:21 PM Post #26
Posts: 26 Group: Member Member #4,014 Joined: March 4, 2009 Favourite Anime DBZ	SKATO May 3 2007, 06:20 AM what if cell absorbed all the androids? lol He would be...REALLY POWERFUL. It is as Psyam said, he would be intensly strong, and would become MUCH more powerful than the previous androids. But clearly: A new Android named "Android π" (android pi) would be the ultimate because he is never ending.
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Finta646	Mar 18 2009, 10:39 PM Post #27
Posts: 441 Group: Member Member #3,954 Joined: February 2, 2009 Favourite Anime Sailor Moon, DBZ, InuYasha, Shana What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer & Firefox Favourite Manga n/a	MissSunday1975 Mar 18 2009, 10:21 PM SKATO May 3 2007, 06:20 AM what if cell absorbed all the androids? lol He would be...REALLY POWERFUL. It is as Psyam said, he would be intensly strong, and would become MUCH more powerful than the previous androids. But clearly: A new Android named "Android π" (android pi) would be the ultimate because he is never ending. the never ending android would be the best LoL The best android would be super 17 because of how powerful he was, but he had a serious flaw that ended up destroying him in the end. Cells model was the most perfect one because he was made out of the most powerful DNA obtainable and it is true that if he absorbed enough people, he would be unstoppable. Im just surprised that when Gero decided to turn into an android, he didnt make himself the "perfect one", like combining the DNA into himself or a new body for him.
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* Psyam	Mar 19 2009, 04:11 PM Post #28
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	Finta646 Mar 18 2009, 10:39 PM Im just surprised that when Gero decided to turn into an android, he didnt make himself the "perfect one", like combining the DNA into himself or a new body for him. Indeed. You would think that as he hated Goku so much, he would rather of killed him himself then get an android to do it for him. Its a good question. I suppose he probably thought he would be able to handle Goku anyway, as he didn't know about him being a Super Saiyan. I think it was odd how he was going to let #19 kill Goku, why didn't he do it himself and let #19 have the others? On topic: I stick to my theory on #16 being the perfect model, but Cell having the most potential. I thought of Super #17, and though he's strong, he does have a fatal weakness in being an absorbing type. #16 isn't the strongest, but he has the least weaknesses. Cell even said "So Dr. Gero made some improvements, did he?" when he failed to put #16 to sleep by putting his tail in his neck, which would have paralysed #17 and #18 presumably.



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